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SunMan

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Drones are banned in the park. Would not dig a drone buzzing me while I soak.
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I spent the last week at Palm Springs.  Not much air traffic, was buzzed by a F-16 on Tuesday, once, and that was it.  Wednesday was a normal day of fly overs of F-18s.  Only a couple flew over the springs.  Most of them flew over the peace sign.  Saw a B-1 Bomber Thursday afternoon and missed on getting a picture of it.  Someone was flying a drone over Palm Springs, keeping it below the level of the palm trees.  Maybe that's why the planes were flying over the peace sign.
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Now that's a good tale. Thanks for sharing.
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Last Monday, I saw a F-18 flying north in Owens Valley at the base of the Inyo Mountains, about 500 feet off the ground.  It must have turned around north of Bishop.  As a few minutes later it was heading south along the base of the Sierra's about the same height.  It reminded me of the time I was working on the movie Star Trek, Generations and we were filming near the Mt. Whitey Portal.  We had broken for lunch and had just came back to the set from the roach coach to film the meeting of Capt. Pacard and Capt. Kirk.  Just then a F-18 came down from the top of the mountain and passed the set.  Just as it passed the plane banked over and the person in the rear of the cockpit was looking at us.  Seeing the film company was there, I had the feeling it would return.  The plane continued down the canyon and out into Owens Valley.  About 10 minutes later, it returned.  Coming up the canyon from the valley.  As it passed the set it was so low we could see down into the cockpit.  The plane went to the top of the mountain then did a vertical climb hitting the afterburners and flew into the high clouds.  Everyone on the set cheered including William Shantner.  It was the high light of the day.  The owner of the cabin we were filming at said they do that about three times a week.  The first time he was there, he was fishing in the canyon stream when a jet came up the canyon at a very low altitude.  The sudden sound was so loud that it scared him and he lost his balance and fell into the stream.    Now, he's use to it like the rest of the people that live in the canyon.
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At a half of a billion dollars a piece the Military Industrial Complex is strong and health.
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I read where the F-35 is not only very expense to build but a F-16 can out dogfight it.   That's not saying much for the investment.  Sounds like politics at its best in some senators district was working with this beast.
chuckt53

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The C130J is nothing like the older model. They just look the same. I also toured the Lockheed Martin plant at Marietta, GA. At that time Lockheed was finishing with the F-35. I glad that they are still making that airframe. Good plane...
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I was surprised to read that they were still putting out C-130s.  I thought they were replaced by the C-17.  That's just as bad as the Air Force still using B-52's that every now and then lose their wings after take off due to old age.
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just toured the Lockheed Martin plant at Marietta, GA and was amazed to see the assembly line for the C130J, putting out 24 airplanes per year (capacity 36), really building airplanes in the US!!!  stat is 1500' landing unimproved strip, so somebody needs to get them to bring refreshments to the soakers.  that would be a picture.
Bob from Tahoe
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Not a UFO, not a plane crash, but . . . .

Back on one of my Spring Break trips to Saline, we were returning to Lower Warm and our camp after a long day exploring (went to Cerro Gordo up the back side, fueled in Owens Valley, to Eureka Valley and return over Lipponcott Lead Mine road--in future sister-in-law's Land Cruser--we went with her after parking near top of South Pass, and dropped off at same, she was returning to AZ.  She said, at the top, she had been on worse roads in Mexico than Lipponcott, then she shut up and paid attention to driving, never said that again).  We were in my old white Ford Maverick (yes, dear, that Maverick has (had) been over both North and South Passes, Titus Canyon, to the gate at White Mountain, and so on), driving slow, at dusk, between the Bat Rock and the springs.  There was a roar, and the car rocked on it's springs.  Holy Shit, WTF?  Looking in the driver side rear view mirror, I saw the red glow of the exhaust(?) afterburner(?), of a F-something, headed west at mirror level.  That pilot had us dialed in, locked and loaded, and we were dead-dead.  Bet he laughed all the way to the Inyo mountains, all 4.9 seconds to get there.  Quite a wake-up, had to have another brew after that.

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I had to pull a Cessna out of the mud with my speed buggy in '94.  It had parked on the soft loamy stuff and later rained a bunch.  The 4x4 trucks were too heavy so we tied plane to my old speed buggy and yanked it out, it was kinda fun! 
jynxx1970

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Sorry it my Jeep JK with rock lights [smile]
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Last weekend had a nice surprise.  About 3 PM saw a B-1 Bomber with two Osprey escorts fly over the Steele Pass, the peace sign, and on to Grapevine pass.  I was soaking in the Volcano pool and didn't have time to run back to the car to get my camcorder.  Rats! 
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Two years ago, last September.  I was soaking in the Wizard pool with two other people.  About 9 PM while facing the Inyo Mountains I saw two craft flying above the mountains on the west side of the same.  They were traveling one in front of the other going from north to south and I thought they were jets.  Until they stopped and hovered, my next thought was they were helicopters.  Then I realized each craft was about two football fields long and I know we had no aircraft that big.  Both craft were identical, they had a large fuzzy green light forward and a fuzzy red light aft.  In the center were two bright sharply defined white lights.  I told and pointed out the crafts to the two people in the pool and their comment was they were helicopters and went back to their conversations.  I watched the crafts for about 10 minutes when the forward craft started to move forward and climb at a 7% rate until it was above the highest mountain peak then stopped.  About another ten minutes passed then the highest craft above the Inyo's turned off all its lights.  I thought it was strange as they were in violation of night flying safety standards.  Then a very short time later, the second craft started to descend behind the mountains and out of sight.  I left the pool and returned to my car for the night.  I don't sleep in a tent for safety reasons and sleep in my car so the coyotes and burros won't get me.  I woke up about 1 AM and looked out the front window and saw one of the craft, that I had seen earlier, hovering near Willow Creek.  Below it was bright lights on the ground reflecting toward the craft.  But the craft was high enough that the reflected lights did not show the outline of the craft.  The ground lights were the color of your normal street lights a soft gold color..  After watching it for about 5 minutes I went back to sleep.  I woke up again about 4 AM and looked out the front window and the craft was gone.  I sat up and reached down to my feet where I keep my bottled water to get a drink and saw the craft, again.  This time it was hovering over Steele Pass with the same ground lights glowing beneath it.  After a few minutes, I again went back to sleep.  When I woke up at daylight, the craft was gone and I packed up and headed home.  I have no idea what these craft were or where they came from.  They were far bigger than any aircraft that I am aware of and their lights didn't conform to any standard aircraft lighting.  They must have had a landing party on the ground with very bright lighting equipment.  Since China Lake is not far away and is known to test super secret aircraft.  They could have came from there or from Area 51.  Every time I return to the springs I bring my camcorder with a 700 power scope in hopes of seeing them again.  So far, I haven't seen them since.  But I will still keep looking and hoping.
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I wasn't at the springs when the crash you're describing took place, but I did arrive shortly thereafter, while the wreckage was being loaded onto a flatbed trailer for removal.  I don't recall any real investigation taking place, a bunch of guys just showed up and gathered it up and left.  That leads me to believe that it was probably not a rental plane, since the Insurance company would never pay out without an NTSB investigation.  Could have been someone who didn't want any publicity, and could afford to sweep it under the rug.  Who knows?  Karma's a bitch, though, isn't she? [biggrin]

Incidentally, all civil airplane crashes that are reported to the NTSB are investigated and are considered public information. Factual and Probable Cause reports are published as soon as all the information is gathered.  If you have a lot of free time on your hands, here's a link to the NTSB database, searchable by month.  There's also an advanced search option that allows you to narrow your search based on several criteria.

http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/month.aspx 

Info on military crashes is a little harder to find, especially now that so many bases are now closed and all their records have been transferred elsewhere.  Old newspaper stories are usually a good source of info, as long as you realize that many of the facts in them are wrong. (some things never change, eh?)  It's all part of the challenge for a history buff!


As for the McElvoy Canyon wreck being a glider, I guess it could have been.  It must have been a really old one, though.  The spar was solid wood, whereas every glider wing I've ever seen was made of laminated plywood for light weight.  We'll probably never know.  I do remember reading a news article on microfilm in the library in Independence that described the crash of a "former long distance race plane" near the salt flat in Saline Valley.  Now I have a reason to go back and dig deeper!

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