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Concerned Springer
 #46 
Some of the broken things I inquired about in my original post have been neglected for few years. So the weather is not the factor. I have not heard any calls from neither LL nor SPA for any help. LL does not provide the necessary leadership to initiate the repairs. For regular folks with limited time and know-how, it’s hard to start any repair work without strong guidance from people in the trenches. Once again there is a vacuum in leadership if not complacency for the status quo. Winter time features limited visitation besides few holidays. I did not see any work done when the weather allows.

Also, has anybody seen LL showering before soaking? I think he uses crystal pool as his bathtub leaving everyone soak in his filth. The next time he's soaking there, feel free to soak. There is no reason to give him any preferential treatment.
Hot_Springs_Hound
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I spent the last week at the springs helping Lizard Lee with some maintenance projects. We resurfaced the sunrise pool with fine marble slabs that the talc miners brought in from there marble mine. They found some marble few years ago - not enough for commercial mining, so they donated to the camp. It looks amazing. We also replaced the ball valve. Lizard Lee purchased an all stainless valve so it should last awhile. The valve at the crystal pool along with some pipe were also replaced(also provided by Lizard Lee). A couple of other campers helped with the work even though temps were around 115. I plan on coming back in a week and we are going to do the same work at Palm, marblelining all the tubs up there. Maybe there will be a few more volunteer helpers to help us. We could also use some bags of concrete.
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Bravo, Sam D.  Well said! [thumb]
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"Concerned Springer", if you've never been to the springs during summer, you might find it hard to believe but it gets very very hot. In fact, the temperature does not fall below 95 at night for several weeks. This makes it very difficult to do anything. We are fortunate to have LL there during summer to keep an eye on vandals and looters. He does plenty during summer. I helped him on numerous occasions. My understanding for any perceived "inactivity" is we are waiting for the park service to come up with the plan based on the feedback it collected last year. Nevertheless, if you feel something needs to be fixed, feel free to do it yourself. I am sure you can find plenty of help once the weather cools down and visitation picks up. The springs have had a long history of visitors maintaining the facilities. Please do not wait for anybody else. Bring all the materials you need to fix and just do it.
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"Concerned Springer",  I don't have the answers to your questions.  I will be attempting to visit the springs via Steele Pass on September 20th.  I'll look around and post my findings here.
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Un you are always so verbose in your rant's against Lee. Why don't you take it upon yourself to spend the time out there and do some of the much needed repairs.
Concerned Springer
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Can somebody tell me if the Sunrise pool’s cracks have been repaired and its rusty dilapidated flow pipe and valve have been replaced? If not, what has LL done this summer so far? There aren’t many visitors in the summer so he should be actively fixing and repairing the facilities. Otherwise, he’s just a squatter who lives on public land free of charge.  There are other projects at both springs. The bottoms of all pools at the Palm Springs need resurfacing. The valve in the Crystal has rusted through. Shower tub needs major scrubbing. If LL is too old he either needs to lead or he should step down to give his spot to a younger more energetic person.
By the way, has anybody seen LL showering before his soak?
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I just go back from my annul August trip to the springs.  Like my other summer trips, the pools had not been cleaned for some time.  The Wizard pool was especially bad this year and I had to use a shovel to clean out the thick growth.  Lee said I was the first person he had seen in 3 weeks.  There were no floods that came through the springs this year (unlike last year).  However the pipe to the shower is exposed and needs to be buried deeper or covered.  The CaCO3 build up around the water line in the wizard pool needs to be removed.  I used a basalt stone to do the area where I sit but I didn't do the whole tub.  A disc grinder with a masonry disc would work well.  I also cleaned a lot of sand out of the valve box.  I think the sand gets in there when we clean the pool.  Maybe a box with sides above ground level would prevent that.
I brought in 4 bottles of bleach and but had to use some to clean the pools.  Normally any bleach that is out there all summer is no longer useful so I dump it and haul out all the old bleach bottles and any other trash I can find.  There was plenty of TP in the out house and brushes for cleaning the pools.
  The shower was working fine.

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I may not be out there again until December so I expect all work to be done before my next trip.  (Just kidding).

Geo Mitch

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