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I got an e-mail from Georg and Ria last week. They saw my post from last month's trip and figured that there was no way they'd get their trailer in to the valley. The good news, they wrote, is that the roads will probably restrict the number of visitors enough that we might not need a camp host up at Palm Springs. I tend to disagree with that part. In my experience, folks who have the abilities and equipment to deal with these road conditions usually tend to camp at Palm Springs, rather than at Lower Warm. Maybe that will change as the single crapper up there gets full
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Great report Bob. I agree with the comments made here about the road conditions lighting the load at the springs. The concern I have is Georg and Ria won't be able to get in this Oct. Has anyone spoken to them about this?
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This is wonderful news. The Valley is at its best when uncrowded, so now is the time to go before word gets around. Yeah, I'm selfish and admit it!
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Thank you for the detailed report!
If I understand it correctly, sounds like passenger car access to the Springs is not possible these days! (I realize you didn't check out Lippencott, but in my experience that's never suitable for a passenger car anyway.)
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Thank you so much Bob!!!!!
So, a South Pass Rod → Hunter> Hidden Valley -> Racetrack -> Lippincott -> Saline Valley -> Steele Pass and then back to the 395 trip is liklikely just now!!! Woo hoo!!! Oh, and is there anything Lee needs?
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Another thanks to you Silver Bob, without your true spirit to recon the situation we might have continued to be somewhat in the dark, but now some of us have a better understanding of the conditions in Saline Valley. Sam, you should carry an extendable pole to probe the murky depths of what lies beneath
. And remember AWD is not the same as 4WD.
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Thank you, Silver Bob!
Please report on the depths of water crossings. They always give me trouble.
Sparky of SoCal
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SWEET,ugly torn up roads are not for everyone but there are enough of us to think of these conditions as almost perfect!
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How exciting! Looking forward to seeing the pictures - thanks for the reconnaissance!
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Michelle and I arrived home safely last night at about 10:00 p.m. We drove in the North Pass on Friday, out Steele Pass and back on Saturday and then out the South on Sunday. That's about 135 miles of dirt roads, most of which barely qualify as roads. I'll get pictures up in a few hours, but here's a quick synopsis.
The North Pass is now MUCH WORSE than we found it last month! There are new washouts starting halfway between the pavement and Marble Canyon. There are now so many small washouts, ranging from a few inches to a foot deep, that we couldn't even count them all. The big news is that the big washout at Willow Creek is no longer the toughest part to get through! There's a new one just a few hundred yards south of there that really made us work to get past. It took 5 1/2 hours from Big Pine to the Springs. I have no idea why the NPS lists Steele Pass as "Impassable". The worst part of that road is the first several miles from the Springs up to Mitch's van. It's very rough and rocky, but since Mitch was able to pull his trailer out with a stock F150, it's clearly not impassable. Above the van, you drive in the wash the whole way up to near the Petroglyph Canyon, where you pick up the old road again. Somebody has tied green ribbons along the way to help keep the traffic on the same track. The further up the canyon you go, the less rain it got. By the time we reached the top of the pass, there was no sign that it had rained at all. We drove through DeDeckera Canyon toward Eureka dunes and found the narrows to be in standard condition. There was no damage there at all. We got back to Palm Spring from the narrows in exactly three hours. South Pass is probably the best bet to get to the springs for most people in most vehicles. Yes, it's rough across the valley floor, with dozens of small washouts, but we didn't encounter anything that would stop an average full-size 4WD truck or SUV. It appeared that the storms hit the northern part of the valley but not down this far south. Once we started up the alluvial fan the road was pretty much as it has been for years.The Grapevine Canyon part of the trip is much better than it was last year when Michelle and I checked it out. There has obviously been a lot of volunteer rock filling going on there. I was able to drive all the way out in 2wd, High Range. By the time we got to the Lippencott turn off, Mark's Jeep and my truck were both down to just over 1/4 tank of fuel, so we didn't attempt to check it out. We did look across the valley floor with binoculars, and we couldn't see any sign of road damage on that part of the road. The biggest problem getting in via South Pass may actually be the Bat Rock Road. When I get the pictures posted you'll see that it's severely washed out in several places across the valley. These are big and deep enough to "catch" small SUV or car type 4WD vehicles (i.e. Subarus, Rav4s, etc). They could also severely damage the plumbing under any size motorhome that was lucky enough to make it that far. All in all, we had a lot of fun on this trip. The temp got up to 106, the winds were light, the springs were not crowded, and we got to see first hand the power of nature! This report is valid today. If it rains again, all bets are off! Pictures to come in a few hours!