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TopoF2

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...the more politicians I meet, the more I like my dog
Sparky of SoCal

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Your hit on the head powderbronco, not all dog owners are guilty. We don't need all dog owners to prove they are innocent of not following to leash law. We have to prove those wrong wrong then act.
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Ditto Sparky

Just like our President, EVERYONE must follow the rules in a "civil" society or it will become unglued.

Saline HS is not immune. Saline HS is not a "wilderness utopia" free for all. We must share and observe civillity towards others. Something that is being lost in our "modern age "
Seattle Mitch

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I could not have stated it better Sparky.
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Sparky of SoCal

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I think Flipper brings up a point that I think nobody wants to talk about. At least dog owners don't want to talk about. Every single dog is required to be on a leash. Even your very kind gentle obedient, never done anything wrong, holy than holy, loves everyone and everything, your substitute for a child, companion pet needs to be on a leash. Every dog owner can and will make that argument that their dog is that special dog. So if one person uses the perfect dog excuse why should anyone else be expected to put their dog on a leash, because their dog is also perfect. I don't think it needs to be sugar coated, everyone's dog needs to be on a leash no matter if it's first time in the park or your 100th time in the park.
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Lots of lively chatter since I started this thread. Chiming back in with my two sins worth.  I do not care for lots of signs but it may become necessary. I was a dog owner and had my guy there many times. He passed last August.  He was never allowed to be a nuisance. That is a complaint many are speaking of. It has gotten worse. With more people visiting there needs to be a change. GET YOUR DOG ON THE LEASH & PICK UP THE POOP. If your dog barks a lot be considerate and camp much further away.
The users need to speak up in person at the springs when an owner is not taking care of his or hers dogs. This will likely be the best method to bring about change. Yea it is not comfortable but neither is an unruly dog. 
I for one don't want the Park Service to be the ones bringing the change. So we as a user community need to handle this.  NPS does and will write tickets, let's not give them the opportunity!
peneumbra

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The whole "service animal" thing is so unfair!

I went in a Fry's grocery store just yesterday with my service badger and...
ski3pin

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George, I appreciate your comments on owners and their dogs. When the problem is solved at Saline, I hope the same tactics can be used inside our local Safeway food store.
TopoF2

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...i was camped at a further up the road site..Solar Don made his way up said the Park Police were gonna visit and to be sure my dog was on a leash. i was standing there, the dog near by, on a leash...a thirty foot leash. i did not trust the dog off leash, she would just as soon run off and chase coyote and not come back. funny how she did not bark at Solar Don
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There has been an unusual amount of discussion about the dog issues at the springs. This topic has been discussed for years and the only thing which has changed is, the problems have worsened. More people seem to bringing dogs, some multiple animals; all off-leash and crapping all over the place with no pick up. Well behaved, disciplined animals can be tolerated, however undisciplined and uncontrolled animals are unbearable; this is totally the fault of their owners. Unfortunately, their owners often do nothing when there is a problem as they seem to be lacking social responsibility, or just simply do not care.

Posting signs and/or talking to these problem owners may have some positive impact, but often times it produces little more than an argument. Bottom line is that signage and talking simply is not enough; without effective and meaningful enforcement, the animal problem will continue. If signage alone were an effective deterrent, then we would net need a police force to enforce highway speed limit signs. 

Unfortunately, the springs seriously needs animal control enforcement by some effective means, most likely NPS Rangers issuing citations. I, for one, am not in favor of any increased NPS involvement at the springs, it should be volunteer operated and maintained as much as possible. It would be totally hypocritical for LL to even attempt to enforce any animal control regulation since he was once one of the biggest offenders. When Jake was alive, he was almost never on a leash, then only when a NPS Ranger about to show-up; that is how we knew they were coming. Jake even stole a cooked chicken carcass out of my camp one night. 

Wish I had a less intrusive suggestion. Something needs to be done and soon, the animal problem has become epic

Happy soak'n.
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You can PM me as you have done in the past.

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Oregon John, how can I contact you?  It seems all options to contact you via this forum are disabled in your account. Please PM me when have nothing better to do. Many Thx.
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powderbronco

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I got two hogs , a goat and a Glock !
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I would imagine that if the NPS receives enough complaints about the dog issue, along with some "close call" incident reports, the rangers will post proper signage to avoid accusations that they did nothing about the problem.  Then it will be up to people to read and comply, or ignore the signs.  This is the way most issues like this get resolved, except for the scofflaws.  
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