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Salt Peter

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No hatchet to bury. Lee is a necessity and isn't all bad. I just don't understand making that large of a fire in the afternoon. I usually leave any wood I don't burn. When I leave wood I try to check with other campers first to see if they need any. If not I leave it by the fire ring I'm using. Like I said the last time I was there Lee had wood stacked by his dwelling and wasn't in dire need of anymore. New users who post on his behalf calling for donations of wood seems a bit strange to me. Remember the time there was a huge afternoon bonfire for no reason? Think that occurred within the past two years. Then there are Lee's pet burros getting fed. 

I'm not sure about most others but after a good soak I'm already warm.
Beverages are always offered and enjoyed, cheers!

So back on topic, I've got hand sanitizer and foamers for the Palm Spring Crapper. I usually bring bleach and TP too but it looks like it is stocked. Will check back when it is closer to my trip.
Sam D.

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Based on your previous posts you are not a Lizard Lee fan. We get it. I like the guy. If he wants to be warm getting out the pool it's ok with me if he burns some firewood. I'll bring more.
How much have you brought lately, Peter?
When I was younger and able I actually helped LL gather some logs on the county land for the community firepit numerous times. I can assure you that he cares about the springs way more than he shows. Of course you are entitled of your opinion and I have mine. So, let's bury the hatchet and have some 12 or 18oz.
Salt Peter

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Really?
Last time I looked Lee had a sh*t ton of wood for his personal use. Why not leave the wood for the community that people donate to be used by people who may not have enough and for a meaninful fire. Must be another Lee fanboy.
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firewood is meant to be burned.  so what if lizard lee wants a campfire while he soaks.  stop your whining!
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Yeah, no one bother bringing wood for the fire pit please. Lee just burns the wood as fast as he can. This past week all four nights both he and I were there I saw him set a 10 to 12 log fire every afternoon when he sits in the wizard pool. He then leaves it unattended for the rest of the afternoon and evening. He burned about 50 stout logs in four days by my count. There were never more than two people at lower springs the whole time.

So those of you going to great effort to haul wood save your time and money. It won't last but a week or two at the rate Lee torches it.
speakeasy

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Donations to the camp host are greatly appreciated. He's not making it rich recycling cans and fixing tires.
Schnookie

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Hi, just got back from my second trip to the hot springs.  Like last time, I was staying in the middle springs area, so my info is on the single pooper there.

I brought a few bleach foamers, some bleach, some toilet paper and some disposable nitrile gloves for cleaning.  I was going to take them to the camp host, but we had to leave earlier than expected when the winds started getting stronger Saturday afternoon (11/26/2016).  I just put them in the restroom.

Here are some pics taken around 3:40 pm Saturday showing what was there at that time.  It had been busy there because of Thanksgiving, but there were far less people at this time because of the weekend ending and the storm coming in.  But I know the camp went through a lot of toilet paper.

Not pictured: a large hand sanitizer.  I am not sure if there were more in the bathroom...I only saw the big one.

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Farmer_Fred

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I linseed oil the benches once a year at the lower springs,   please do not paint them.

Please bring firewood exclusively for the lower springs   not   just leftover wood from your private camp. Thanks
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Don't bother to paint the shelf in the Palm Spring outhouse.  Someone will just paint over it just like they did over the nice flowers on the wall.  But I noticed the Lower Spring outhouse art hasn't been painted over.  I also think it's a bad idea to paint the benches at Palm Spring.  Maybe some conditioning oil or similar but paint will just bake off like the original. 
My two cents.
holly609

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Community firewood should be allocated for a specific community firepit, which should be of a size that discourages wasteful use of resources. If I want a big fire, I bring big wood... the one time, I might add, that bringing big wood to the pool is socially acceptable. Meanwhile, my camp firepit will need to be a bit bigger. And all the wood I burn in it will be hauled in by myself. Ashes go into a big bin and back to my house with all the rest of my trash. What wood I haven't burned goes into the community pile. Common courtesy = average intelligence / degree of selfishness (cc=ai/S°). It's all very scientific....
Salt Peter

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I don't get the need for tons of wood down at the lower springs but I rarely go down there. I prefer Palm Spring instead. But if there's some left over and you want to donate I get that.

I always take out ashes which is good advice. I don't feel it is imperative to make fire rings smaller. That's the type of behavior I see a lot of "nature groups" guilty of - I like it this way and feel it is the way to go. If someone wants a big fire let them have it. I don't like rebuilding fire rings/pits. That being said, my fires are tame. I like to sit close and enjoy it for what it is. Please don't tear down fire pits.
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The deal with the wood situation at community burn rings is some campers will burn at will if there is a big pile to supply their big ass fire that you need to stand way back from.  I would never want to regulate but come on guys. Do you really need to have a fire so big you can't stand by it?  No matter how much firewood the Lower Springs community pit get stocked with it usually goes by way too quick.  Saline Springs relies a lot on etiquette and the firewood thing seems to be missing out here.  I like to use good etiquette and bring a couple logs for the fire when visiting others camp if I have it. So next time you go to hang out at the Lower bring a log and burn it like you hauled it out there. 

Upper Camp needs;
Break down huge fire pits that you need to build a huge fire in to stay warm.  If you have to stand back 3 feet because the fire ring is 9' diameter you need to waste wood.  I do at least one every trip. Major Tom & Carolynn taught me this.  Remove rocks so there are only 1 or 2 rocks wide around the perimeter and just a couple high around the burn pan. Always try to lead by example and leave your burn pan clean and always use a burn pan.
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It was two and a half weeks ago when I seen similar activity. It was around 2:00 to 2:30PM, when Lee was cleaning crystal pool, he had started a small fire in the main fire pit. The wood used was half of the last and little from the wood pile. OK may be he was burning something off, but after cleaning and filling the pool he put the last couple of pieces of wood on the fire. Shortly later when it had turned dark, I  walked by the fire pit to see the fire struggling to burn as the fuel was all turning to coals and no body around to enjoy it. The scene reminded me of the previous night when I pulled in to the springs just after dark pulled up and went for a walk in the community area. I figured that fire was left by campers who were previously enjoying it. I now think it was more likely than not that Lee had burned it off in the same manner. Note some of this wood was cut lumber and would not have been a insect threat.


Bugs... In may visits in the last year I have noticed that there are a lot of wood-roaches and black widows in the central area. It was early Nov. when I walked around and killed eight widows in the area of the sink, C-pool, fire pit benches and library. The roaches where uncountable and all over the place. Anyways, I know that both like wood and are likely being brought in with it particularly the roaches. 


I yet to make any conclusions but am suspicious.
speakeasy

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Well, I think it's acceptable to use wood from the pile for camp needs. If we have to burn palm stumps or freshly cut vegetation or "fresh" manure, then there are
2 options: gasoline/bbq starter fluid or firewood. In the past, freshly cut vegetation was fed to burros but since nobody wants the burros hanging at the springs, we have to burn the fresh trimmings. I can only speculate about what the reasoning was to burn some firewood. And it was to burn some of the wood to burn everything wet or not much flammable. Of course I'll make some inquiries with Lizard Lee when I visit in March. I do not believe though that his intention was to burn the firewood so he could sell his. I've never heard him offering it to anyone for sale. I've seen piles of wood in the donation area for weeks on hand without being burnt. So I think Lee's timing vs Bob's departure was simply coincidental.

Now I think we flogged the horse to the ground so let's stop speculating and start soaking.

Will somebody post the score past Prez Day?
PahrumpGeorge

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The fire wood donations at the lower springs is, and has always been, for the use of the enjoyment of the general population at the fire pit in the evenings; any other usage is simply unacceptable, especially to incinerate burro crap. The burro crap can be simply removed from the camping vicinity and disposed of in the desert, just as the burros would do if they did not congregate at the lower springs.

Burros have a habit of regularly crapping in the near vicinity of where they eat. The main reason for all of the burro mess at the lower springs is that they are regularly fed there; it is this form of domestication which causes the burro's dependence upon humans. Unfortunately, this domestication has probably exceeded  the point of-no-return; now they need to be relocated or, worst case, destroyed as this situation will continue to deteriorate. I for one, enjoy the burros, at arms length.

We are now in an unfortunate situation, that the good samaritan firewood donors are not accomplishing the desired effect, through no fault on their part. I suggest that firewood be brought in by those intending to have a fire; at least they would have some wood to burn. This is a sad state-of-affairs, but until some, at least, semi-permanent resolution can be implemented, those at the lower springs can have fires which they supply.

Happy soaks and fire, in a burro crap free zone.

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